It really looks like this might be the do all cartridge Ive been waiting for. Id love to see it. Also, remember that the data in the table above is using averages of multiple loads per cartridge. I think the biggest win for the PRC however is the factory support that the SAUM lacks. Shots near the max effective range can totally miss the animal if you misjudge the distance by 50-yards. I see yours has a suppressor. Now im gonna say this , without reloader 26 powder I would have no need to own this 6.5prc, this powder is like magic. Ive left comments but could use some advice. Its currently in a google sheet so I can easily share access with a good email. They use Berger 168 gr VLD (Very Low Drag) bullets. Heres what he reported using a 175gr ELDX, Federal 215M primers, and Reloder26 powder. I was hoping to optimize the cartridge . I just finished my 7saummight need to do an identical build but in 7prc and compare. burning 61 grains Reloder 22 Recoil: 26.5 ft-lbs at 14.6 fps velocity Muzzle Energy: 3,269 ft-lbs Maximum Pressure: 61,000 psi MPBR: 365 yards (Zero at 307 yards, 3.9" high at 100 yards) These are some impressive numbers. Current F-class are almost all .284 (another strangely missing cartridge in this articles comparison) which says something about what the disciplined shooters, regularly shooting out X-rings at 1000m, think. 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Heres that data using his 24.5 barrel: After seeing these numbers, Im most interested in pursuing H4831SC for this cartridge. Increasing the BC to 0.700 the drift is only half, at 20 inches! 2020 Sierra Bullets We all understand how gravity works, and with the additional corrections for atmospheric conditions, a bullet's drop is easily calculated. ShootersCalculator.com is in the process of being massively overhauled. As we examine the drop and deflection of a bullet it becomes apparent that BC and velocity are very important parameters for shooting at long range. So, you definitely need a long-range bullet for most longer shots. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. While the 7mm 168 grain VLD would only need 3100 fps at the muzzle to match that 2000 fps velocity at 1000 yards. You may be able to use a heavier bullet and achieve more energy or a longer range with more velocity.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_6',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Since were talking about max distances, Id like to clarify something here. He has managed multiple gun ranges, and has hunted around the world. Before SAAMI drawings of the 7 PRC were released, I fully expected the 7 PRC to follow the industry-wide trend of overbore hot-rod cartridges. If youre new to this, just call Preferred Barrel Blanks at (435) 635-6900 and tell them you read about them on Backfire and you want a 20 carbon fiber-wrapped prefit barrel like the one they made for me. Minimum sucks. Now that hunting season is over would love to see some load testing out of your 20 inch barrel. Great video and Ive been following and hoping that a 7 PRC would come for years now. che velocit riesci ad avere? Im a big fan of the 7mm. Seriously, before anybody argues with me, watch the video and get out your calculators and figure it out for yourself. The first, and most obvious is the effect of gravity. Love the Channel!!! I really want to compare recoils of suppressed rifles. Ive been working with some pre-production brass that isnt very good. there are plenty of rifles capable of 1000 yards but if your looking for something that wont drop 10 ft there are better choices. [emailprotected]. Obviously, there are many technical differences between the two, but they do fill a nearly identical hole in the market. Once break in has been achieved we clean the rifle and begin load development. For example, most of the all-copper expanding bullets need something like 1,900 0r 2,000 fps to expand even a little. If you own one of these items you are free to ship them to us for programing. So youre telling me Springfield Armory is planning on making a 7 PRC Waypoint 2020 in 2023 ?!?!?! They sent me their full-length bushing resizing die and micrometer seating die and Ive been amazed with the quality. Youtube is full of those videos. The numbers arent much better and the only pro I see is getting decent numbers with a shorter barrel. Thats why knowledge of 7mm Rem Mag Ballistics is so important. Next, I loaded H1000. Power Rank: 3.9 of 20. Hi Jim, Your rifle will be sent over to Evolved Munitions LLC who will then begin the load development process. Obviously, the 7mm Rem Mag isnt going to just vanish in the next 10 years. if you looking at 1000 yards I would be looking at a different rifle , Something more like a 50 BMG , 6.5 to be honest. However, why was the 8mm Mauser left out of this comparison? Every hunter needs to read this and understand the real limitations of their ammunition. The Barnes bullet loses velocity at twice the rate of the VLD! Thank you. Corriolis effects from the earths rotation also needs to be compensated for. I ABSOLUTELY would use 7mm PRC on elk. 7mms in general produce such good ballistics like higher retained velocity, energy, etc because of the bullets made for this caliber. I dont like playing games of how far can I go and minimum bullet energy. A bullet traveling through the air will lose velocity, and the bullet's shape effects how fast it will slow down. A rule of thumb I use is if an animal is walking, shots need to be twice as close. with 50 inch barrel. Shoot! But, everything has to be perfect for it to work. This load has been optimized in Shoot! For this experiment, well look at three common ways to determine effectiveness. 7mm Rem. .460 Steyr .416 Barrett .408 Cheytac .375 Chetac etc. Well, that would limit most hunting rifles to between 150 and 400-yards. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); 7mm Remington Magnum ~ 150 Grain ~ Trajectory Chart. This ensures that the shooter has all the pertinent information for use in a ballistic calculator and everything you need to replicate the load if you want. Now, I either need to find ammunition to shoot, or new brass. The sample trajectory in Figure 1 is typical for a 7mm Remington Magnum shooting a 168 grain VLD bullet at 3050 fps muzzle velocity. Mag. Maybe one day you could get a donor barrel from a sponsor, and cut it down in the field (no recrown) every inch from 28 down to 18 to see what all the velocities are? Can someone help me with a MOA ( 4 clicks for 1" ) drop chart for my 7MM Rem Mag? Did you supply or install the muzzle device or did you get one from Preferred Barrels? Can you tell me which suppressor you are using? The 7mm, however, seamlessly made the transition to . We carefully monitor the velocity until we see a significant increase (30-60 fps) which usually takes around 40 to 60 rounds. This package can be added onto any rifle bought through Evovled Ballistics. Ballistic Table Ron Spomer 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24" bl. That adds up to a difference of point of impact between shooting east and west of nearly seven inches. You have stated several times you would not use 6.5 Creedmoor or 6.5 PRC for large game like elk. Sighting-in a hunting rifle to hit a certain number of inches high at 100 yards (or 100 meters) maximizes the point blank range of the rifle and cartridge and is superior to zeroing at a fixed distance like 200 yards. I do have a gain lands so its not a 100% apples to apples comparison. I expected it to go a little faster in the CX due to the lighter weight, but copper bullets can also increase pressures, so it seems that Hornady wasnt able to get any increased speed out of it. If ya do you might blow your face off. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the cartridge is quite mild. Thanks again! Im still using the same 24 test barrel by Preferred Barrel Blanks for this cartridge. Seems like the 7 PRC is 90% of the 28 Nosler without the extremely short barrel life and 20% less recoil. Nice informative article. Ideal extreme powders? Was nice to see your wife in the last video. The 7mm PRC is similar to a 7mm Rem Mag, but it can shoot heavier bullets with higher BCs, has no belt which causes problems for reloaders, and slightly less case capacity so longer barrels are not necessary. Tell them I sent you. The data in the following table contains averages for each cartridge. is beginning to assert its trajectory superiority here with a 5-inch advantage over the .270 Win. I guess I can hang the gun on the wall and admire its looks until ammunition is available. Thanks for all the research and compilation here, are you certain of the numbers here as in many cases your distance where bullet travels less than 1500 fps is shorter than that same calibres 1900 fps for example 6.5 PRC? Your email address will not be published. I think too many hunters see muzzle velocity and assume if its fast, itll work long range, and thats not true at all. The parent case is the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum and fits a .284 inch bullet on a .317 inch neck with a beltless, rebated, bottleneck with a large rifle magnum primer case . I am looking to build a new (all in one) rifle. PBB will just thread the end in a typical 5/824 pattern and then youll use a direct thread suppressor like a Dead Air Nomad. If you want to knock it down.. use a 7mm. When youre talking about a newly-released cartridge, Jim, it would be helpful if you would tell us what the parent cartridge is, if there is one. Your information will never be shared and you can unsubscribe with one click at anytime. Sedalia, MO 65301 This is great. The following table compares the 7 PRC to several other cartridges using Hornadys Precision Hunter line of ammunition. We need more ethical hunters who wont chance wounding an animal. But gravity drop is only the first of many effects that we need to compensate for, in order to shoot precisely at long range. Im still working on a load. These cartridges all drop less than 255 at 1,000 yards. How do you think it will shoot the Barnes 168 gn LRX in case this new lead ammo ban goes through? Please consider including this in future. At the same time, while the 7mm Rem Mag tops out with 175 grain bullets, the .300 Win Mag is capable of firing 200 grain, 208 grain, and 220 grain bullets with sectional densities of .301, .313, and .331 respectively. Jim Harmer is a host of the Backfire Youtube channel. RCC brass is the only place that has it, but the prices are wild at $6 per piece. Our reference system will take 1.3 seconds to reach 1000 yards. Personally, I like all three of those cartridges for different reasons, but I think this new cartridge will become so popular over the next few years that those cartridges will quickly fade in the rearview mirror. I think all the powders you have tried except H4831SC are too slow. Great job on all the information on the 7mm PRC. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC Select Your Gun Type. Very well done. The Bigger Question is, whats YOUR maximum? If you hunt and want to shoot at a longer range, you may be wondering what the effective range of a rifle cartridge is. Backfire was the first publication to put together a 7 PRC as soon as the SAAMI specs for the cartridge were released. People may argue that the 7mm STW has come and gone, but with the PRS-ELR hybrid competitions becoming more common, even range directors like Scott Satterlee admit the 7mms are the ones to be on the lookout for, going forward. The Precision Rifle Cartridge line is now broad enough that for many hunting uses, shooters will have a tough time deciding between the 6.5 PRC, 7 PRC, and 300 PRC. The other major factor is bullet availability. Hornady has an incredible track record with cartridges over the last 20 years: 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC, 17HMR. I was finally able to connect on a billy at 575 yards, but with a quartering 15 mph wind. 375" drop w/ 100 yard zero. This would negate most of the recoil pain and serve as a solid replacement for 7mm Rem Mag without the belt pain. I just hope I gave you a little something to consider. Is that right? Backfires Youtube channel was the first publication to break the story of the cartridges SAAMI approval, and Backfire was also the first group to build a 7mm PRC and show it to the public. Well, that would limit most hunting rifles to between 150 and 400-yards. Sample Trajectory showing the bullet path crossing the line of sight.Because gravity causes the bullet to drop, the longer a bullet takes to reach its target, the more time gravity will have to pull it towards the earth. 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