Bobster1985 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. April 30, 2009 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. June 30, 2019 =Chuck= Staub a great fielder with a great arm? May 6, 2003 Jamey Bumbalo Lolich was a fine pitcher. (thankfully returning in '81). October 18, 2008 Laura15yearoldmodel Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. May 7, 2013 You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. October 2, 2005 He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Joe Figliola A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. GoMets2006 Randy Tate But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. He started 45 games and completed 29. August 11, 2015 Ken Akerman The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. Lolich was a fine pitcher. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. No contest. feat fan Did you boo him or make fun out of him? May 7, 2013 He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Rusty played another decade. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. John Bruce October 4, 2006 Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. August 11, 2015 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. April 23, 2003 April 6, 2012 body would be a pretty slender person. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Raymond Malcuit Jr. That's pretty good this day in age. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. He contributed largely to Orion's position as a farming center. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Some archaeologists believe there are ancient Hopewell Indian Burial Mounds near Bald Mountain. November 19, 2002 July 31, 2002 Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. October 19, 2011 All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. bogeyman He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. That's more realistic but generous, I think! (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Really? Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. He later came back to play for the Padres. Lolich: Still a sweet delivery to the plate. eddiek July 15, 2016 Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. That would make him a star in today's market. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Feat Fan May 24, 2002 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Rusty played another decade. eddiek Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. February 25, 2003 Raymond Malcuit bogeyman (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. When the Mets got Lolich I was happy (despite hating losing Le Grande Orange). August 7, 2002 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Later inserted into the rotation by manager Bob Scheffing, Mickey earned his first win May 28 in Los Angeles against the Angels, going the distance. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Mickey liked his doughnuts. feat fan I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. After one year in New York Lolich retired. October 18, 2008 Really? support. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Mike B He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. October 4, 2006 I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Man, he was a big one. Collect, curate and comment on your files. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. You can't come out and talk for five minutes when things are exploding in the kitchen. Peter 6'1", 170???? Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." senor ortiz Feat Fan - Now for the trade itself. March 22, 2005 Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Jay (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. senor ortiz As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. December 8, 2006 He later came back to play for the Padres. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. (thankfully returning in '81). August 11, 2015 ''The old ballplayers saying how much better they were and complaining about how little money they made. October 2, 2005 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. September 25, 2013 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. October 19, 2011 The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Randy Tate Bartolo Colon etc). LA-Mets But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Man, those pitches were big ones. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. pete Ramblin' Pete with San Diego..I guess the secret for mickey, was his donuts, as he wolfed quite a few down, before games..LOL! Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Mickey, his nickname, had 2,832 career strikeouts when he retired the most by a left-handed pitcher in Major League . He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). April 6, 2012 Bob I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Peter September 24, 2005 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the - Now for the trade itself. NYB Buff Man, he was a big one. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. July 15, 2016 He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. Ramblin' Pete senor ortiz Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. March 22, 2005 Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. That's more realistic but generous, I think! Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. Wood again went the distance, allowing just 2 runs. December 13, 2007 Ron from Tampa Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. May 7, 2013 Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. So why did you try to destroy the guy? An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Michael Stephen Lolich was a Major League Baseball player who pitched for the Detroit Tigers (1963-1975), New York Mets (1976), and San Diego Padres (1978-1979). You can't be serious. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? NO WAY he was 170 pounds. He started 45 games and completed 29. pete C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Max Power The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. This happened because M. Donald Grant, usurper/dictator of the New York Mets, was personally annoyed by Rusty Staub. He later came back to play for the Padres. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. May 7, 2013 He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. September 24, 2005 The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Stu Baron Thanks for the memories, Mick! In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. August 11, 2015 An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Cut him some slack. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). Dianna Jeanneh Jones No contest. Peter Instead, he had a new perception. This has never happened before? And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. August 7, 2018 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. 6'1", 170???? Randy Tate 6'1", 170???? Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! etc. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. etc. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. (thankfully returning in '81). Bob P 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. April 20, 2002 April 30, 2009 He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. ''When people ask for me and the girls say I'm in the backroom, I can hear them saying 'Tell me another story.' September 24, 2005 We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Once the Tigers won in 84 I gave up on having a 2nd favorite because their win did nothing for me. Bartolo Colon etc). 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